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	<title>Comments on: Digital Britain has arrived (or is at least en-route)</title>
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		<title>By: Nick Piggott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Piggott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theoretically, DVB-T2 is capable of many things, and it&#039;s a clever technology designed by clever technologists. But it is a very long way from being deployed in the field, and a field deployment will change the real coverage and performance it achieves. Even if silicon is available, there are many other questions to be asked. Who will build the network? Will it be affordable for radio? Will anyone run it in 1.7MHz channelisations? Will anyone build radios? How much will those radios cost? What data services will it support?

The requirements for television are *different* to radio, so it&#039;s dangerous for radio to assume a television platform will meet its requirements. There is always a new technology to explore, and a new concept being thought of. That&#039;s not the same as having a system that&#039;s proven to work, and that has lots of receivers, and has them at the right prices for consumers.

I&#039;m sure DVB-T2 will be good for television. I know some people working on the project, in both transmission and for television set-top-box and integrated receivers, and they are fine technologists. But none of them think they are developing a system for digital radio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theoretically, DVB-T2 is capable of many things, and it&#8217;s a clever technology designed by clever technologists. But it is a very long way from being deployed in the field, and a field deployment will change the real coverage and performance it achieves. Even if silicon is available, there are many other questions to be asked. Who will build the network? Will it be affordable for radio? Will anyone run it in 1.7MHz channelisations? Will anyone build radios? How much will those radios cost? What data services will it support?</p>
<p>The requirements for television are *different* to radio, so it&#8217;s dangerous for radio to assume a television platform will meet its requirements. There is always a new technology to explore, and a new concept being thought of. That&#8217;s not the same as having a system that&#8217;s proven to work, and that has lots of receivers, and has them at the right prices for consumers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure DVB-T2 will be good for television. I know some people working on the project, in both transmission and for television set-top-box and integrated receivers, and they are fine technologists. But none of them think they are developing a system for digital radio.</p>
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		<title>By: rabu</title>
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		<dc:creator>rabu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nick,
Thank You very well for your extensive remarks. 
I would like to carry on in two steps: 
The first step is regarding T2 performance. 
DVB-T2 will be the most efficient digital modulation we have actually.
T2 is designed to work with several Bandwiths. One of them is 1,7 MHz.
You are right that T2 can povide very information density (until 45 MBit/s in 8 MHz Channel). But even very robust modes are possible like QPSK CR 1/2 with a C/N of 3 dB under mobile reception conditions. That means almost 10 dB higher sensitivity as DMB.
The net data rate in this mode is arround 1,2 MBit/s.
Assuming the same C/N as needed for DMB an Net data rate of 4 Mbit/s in a 1,7 MHz would be possible (+300% of DMB).

FYI: first Modulators and silicon-chip receiver ar available. I guest we will see a lot of T2-receiver at the early 2010.
(please excuse my poor english)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nick,<br />
Thank You very well for your extensive remarks.<br />
I would like to carry on in two steps:<br />
The first step is regarding T2 performance.<br />
DVB-T2 will be the most efficient digital modulation we have actually.<br />
T2 is designed to work with several Bandwiths. One of them is 1,7 MHz.<br />
You are right that T2 can povide very information density (until 45 MBit/s in 8 MHz Channel). But even very robust modes are possible like QPSK CR 1/2 with a C/N of 3 dB under mobile reception conditions. That means almost 10 dB higher sensitivity as DMB.<br />
The net data rate in this mode is arround 1,2 MBit/s.<br />
Assuming the same C/N as needed for DMB an Net data rate of 4 Mbit/s in a 1,7 MHz would be possible (+300% of DMB).</p>
<p>FYI: first Modulators and silicon-chip receiver ar available. I guest we will see a lot of T2-receiver at the early 2010.<br />
(please excuse my poor english)</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Piggott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Piggott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Rabu - danke für Ihre Anmerkung.

It&#039;s true that DVB-T2 can achieve a very high information density, but there are a number of tradeoffs. Firstly I&#039;m not sure that the power levels you mention would provide an adequate C/N (signal to noise) on a mobile receiver without a directional antenna. DVB-T2 is intended to provide signal to TV antennae, mounted on roofs, which have high noise rejection. I also wonder if it will be able to provide sufficient rejection of multi-path signals, and cope with the Doppler effects of moving vehicles? DVB-T2 is also a wide bandwidth technology, which means it will be power-hungry to decode, which would have an impact on battery powered devices.

COFDM, on which DAB and DAB+ are based, is very rugged and robust, and provides quite high information density. Admittedly, MPEG2 is not the best codec in terms of quality/bit ratio, and no country taking DAB on now would use MPEG2. The combination of HE AAC v2 and Reed Solomon Coding (and Fire code) makes the DAB+ signal very robust and very information dense - two important qualities when talking about a mobile medium. The bandwidth is appropriate - about right for a battery powered handheld device, and it can be delivered in Band III in 1.7 MHz channelisations, which is quite spectrum efficient. At Band III, the signals have propagation characteristics similar to existing Band II (FM/UKW) signals. Moving to UHF changes those, the network design and the power efficiency of transmission, quite a lot.

There is no perfect technology, and we should also consider things outside of technology.

DVB-T2 is just being designed now, and there are no real-world deployments. There are certainly no handheld receivers, or kitchen radios, or car radios for DVB-T2. A DVB-T2 receiver will be complex, and expensive. Sure, if you wait long enough, some of that will change.

DAB+ is working now. The technology works, there are lots of receivers available and they are at good prices. There is also the basis of a DAB+ network already in existence in Germany.

I sometimes explain it like this. If you buy a computer today, there will be a better computer in a year from now. You could buy the best computer you can now, and it might last 10 years (my Dell 8200 at home is 8 years old). Or you can keep waiting and waiting for a &quot;better&quot; computer. The problem is, if you keep waiting, you find one day that all your friends are on Facebook and Twitter and E-mail, and you are still using a chisel and a piece of stone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Rabu &#8211; danke für Ihre Anmerkung.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that DVB-T2 can achieve a very high information density, but there are a number of tradeoffs. Firstly I&#8217;m not sure that the power levels you mention would provide an adequate C/N (signal to noise) on a mobile receiver without a directional antenna. DVB-T2 is intended to provide signal to TV antennae, mounted on roofs, which have high noise rejection. I also wonder if it will be able to provide sufficient rejection of multi-path signals, and cope with the Doppler effects of moving vehicles? DVB-T2 is also a wide bandwidth technology, which means it will be power-hungry to decode, which would have an impact on battery powered devices.</p>
<p>COFDM, on which DAB and DAB+ are based, is very rugged and robust, and provides quite high information density. Admittedly, MPEG2 is not the best codec in terms of quality/bit ratio, and no country taking DAB on now would use MPEG2. The combination of HE AAC v2 and Reed Solomon Coding (and Fire code) makes the DAB+ signal very robust and very information dense &#8211; two important qualities when talking about a mobile medium. The bandwidth is appropriate &#8211; about right for a battery powered handheld device, and it can be delivered in Band III in 1.7 MHz channelisations, which is quite spectrum efficient. At Band III, the signals have propagation characteristics similar to existing Band II (FM/UKW) signals. Moving to UHF changes those, the network design and the power efficiency of transmission, quite a lot.</p>
<p>There is no perfect technology, and we should also consider things outside of technology.</p>
<p>DVB-T2 is just being designed now, and there are no real-world deployments. There are certainly no handheld receivers, or kitchen radios, or car radios for DVB-T2. A DVB-T2 receiver will be complex, and expensive. Sure, if you wait long enough, some of that will change.</p>
<p>DAB+ is working now. The technology works, there are lots of receivers available and they are at good prices. There is also the basis of a DAB+ network already in existence in Germany.</p>
<p>I sometimes explain it like this. If you buy a computer today, there will be a better computer in a year from now. You could buy the best computer you can now, and it might last 10 years (my Dell 8200 at home is 8 years old). Or you can keep waiting and waiting for a &#8220;better&#8221; computer. The problem is, if you keep waiting, you find one day that all your friends are on Facebook and Twitter and E-mail, and you are still using a chisel and a piece of stone.</p>
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		<title>By: rabu</title>
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		<dc:creator>rabu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are dicussing a Re-Launch of DAB with DAB+ in Germany.

The DAB Modulation is a very old (first) digiltal modulation technology. 
Better effiency may be reached by DVB-T2 i.e. (near to Shannon) 
A DVB-T2 modulated Transmitter would need 10 dB less power to cover the same DAB area with same data rate.

What do you think about this fact (having Germany in mind).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are dicussing a Re-Launch of DAB with DAB+ in Germany.</p>
<p>The DAB Modulation is a very old (first) digiltal modulation technology.<br />
Better effiency may be reached by DVB-T2 i.e. (near to Shannon)<br />
A DVB-T2 modulated Transmitter would need 10 dB less power to cover the same DAB area with same data rate.</p>
<p>What do you think about this fact (having Germany in mind).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Markham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Markham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fully with you on 3b.31 Nick, I seem to remember you saw my slideshow demo in Sydney a few years ago. I found that once the concept was off paper and a real demo it became quite compelling and worked much better than Broadcast Website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fully with you on 3b.31 Nick, I seem to remember you saw my slideshow demo in Sydney a few years ago. I found that once the concept was off paper and a real demo it became quite compelling and worked much better than Broadcast Website.</p>
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		<title>By: A trawl around the web in June - blog - James Cridland</title>
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		<dc:creator>A trawl around the web in June - blog - James Cridland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Digital Britain has arrived (or is at least en-route) [Nick Piggott]Nick&#039;s take on the Digital Britain report &#8211; essential reading for anyone involved in DAB Digital Radio or the future of radio [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Digital Britain has arrived (or is at least en-route) [Nick Piggott]Nick&#39;s take on the Digital Britain report &#8211; essential reading for anyone involved in DAB Digital Radio or the future of radio [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Prewett</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Prewett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have liked to see more committment to use of DRM in the digital universe. It needs more coordinated planning for the digital replacement on the MF anf HF [AM] bands at this stage if receiver makers are going to get it right with multi-systems DSP decoder chips in one go covering DRM, DAB+ and the US Sirus satellite [and others ] for direct sat` reception possibilities.

Also, I am not totally convinced that your suggestion that the broacaster will decide the best bandwidth for their respective speech/music output platforms. I would suspect that DAB audio quality will, in the main, suffer a considerable downgrade to that we currently have come to value with Vhf FM.
Regards
David Prewett</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have liked to see more committment to use of DRM in the digital universe. It needs more coordinated planning for the digital replacement on the MF anf HF [AM] bands at this stage if receiver makers are going to get it right with multi-systems DSP decoder chips in one go covering DRM, DAB+ and the US Sirus satellite [and others ] for direct sat` reception possibilities.</p>
<p>Also, I am not totally convinced that your suggestion that the broacaster will decide the best bandwidth for their respective speech/music output platforms. I would suspect that DAB audio quality will, in the main, suffer a considerable downgrade to that we currently have come to value with Vhf FM.<br />
Regards<br />
David Prewett</p>
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